Interesting discussion with Simon Holland, a filmmaker and blogger. He has an interesting take on what UAP are that falls somewhere in between conventional and highly strange. Interesting takes on the Rendlesham Forest and Tic Tac events, both of which he believes were human tech–directed energy weapons and advanced drones. He also holds out the possibility of the ETH.
Tic Tacs, Foo Fighters and UFO’s, With professor Simon Holland (youtube.com)